Anonymous asked: I'm slightly frustrated with this situation because people are assuming that Daniel's guilty without concrete proof. And they're also making this a decision for them to make. Plus, using the internet to make accusations like this is regrettably forever. As previously mentioned, these databanks don't just 'delete'. All those people who were tagged in that post are now associated with Daniel's actions (true or not) until the web crashes forever. :( It's very poor taste all around.
I know it’s frustrating and it’s probably it’s frustrating to all “sides” here.
These allegations are very serious and have arguably already damaged the reputations of several people. (The accusers as well as Daniel.)
No one involved should be pressured to provide proof. In fact, they should stop discussing it and speak to a lawyer to protect themselves. Those not involved/everyone else should not throw stones in either direction.
There have been a lot of statements made and a lot of speculation. Speculation hurts all involved. Speculation can also lead to libel. I know the alleged victims wish to speak out, but they could hurt their cases in doing so. As another person also mentioned, silence is not an admittance of guilt, and if Daniel has a lawyer, it’s likely the lawyer had the social media removed. It’s not permanently gone (re: databanks) but it will aid in preventing the general public from tearing apart every post and adding their own meaning.
As I said in an earlier post, I cannot in good conscience say he’s innocent or guilty.
Let’s all be smart about this. The situation is awful, regardless of what may or may not be true, but there is not enough evidence presented (and see earlier point) to make the call that someone is guilty or that someone is lying. Don’t condemn anyone just yet - not Daniel and not the girls making accusations.
11:20 pm • 6 December 2013 • 2 notes
Anonymous asked: Could this affect the new album and Adams career? Really concerned.
It’s possible, but we can’t say for sure if it will. If you still like Owl City, please buy the album!
Hopefully people realize the issue is a personal one; that it’s not related to Owl City and Adam Young is not involved. Supporting Owl City is not supporting the alleged actions taken by one person.
10:29 pm • 6 December 2013 • 24 notes
at my wedding, I want 9 people dressed up as the members of the fellowship of the ring to attend and halfway through the vows they stand up and start arguing until the one dressed up as Frodo shouts “I will do it, I will take the ring to the bride!”
then it just falls silent as he slowly brings me the Ring of Power
10:13 pm • 6 December 2013 • 45,250 notes
Anonymous asked: did u really make that owl city family picture thingy?
yep! isnt it grand?
10:11 pm • 6 December 2013 • 31 notes
Condensed thoughts on the current issues
A highly condensed version of my previous post. This doesn’t cover all the points made in the other post, but there are points I want to drive home.
1. Accusations were made. The original ones do not involve Adam Young or Owl City.
2. Those accusations may be true, or they may be false.
3. We (the Owl City/Hoot Owl fandom) should not declare guilt or innocence as we do not have evidence. We should also refrain from accusing the girls of lying. The matter is being investigated.
4. Should it be true, I encourage the girls involved to file police reports and/or speak to a lawyer. This is not the same as pressing charges, but it will help protect other girls.
5. Silence on either end does not prove guilt. Lawyers encourage clients to stay silent, regardless of which side they are on. Please remember making assumptions can lead to yourself being accused of libel.
6. Happy memories of Owl City should not be tainted by this situation regardless of the outcome. Owl City is a lovely place and for many, a break from reality, and it always will be.
You should read these posts:
by Mommahootowl (Message from Steve Bursky)
by Scrappymomtotwins (Message to the Hoot Owls and regarding legal issues.)
and by myself
10:01 pm • 6 December 2013 • 29 notes
One More Thing, my little Hoot Owls
I know some of you see DJs deletion of all social media as a tacit admission of guilt. It is not. I can promise you that first and foremost he was ordered to do so by the legal team of his mgmt company—guilty or innocent, they have no way to know yet, but the first thing anyone would be ordered to do by their lawyer is delete all social media. Lawyers HATE social media. Even innocent remarks can be taken way out of context (example A: Adam’s twitter post a few months back that was so poorly worded). Lawyers hate social media. (And TBH, attorneys are not very bright about social media—deleting them doesn’t really delete them, any and all of the social media companies can recall them if ordered to do so by a judge). But that’s how attorneys think.
So the truth is not yet confirmed, nor denied. We know no more than we did this morning.
So the jury is still out, so to speak, on the veracity of the situation. If true, I’m still 100% certain Adam could not have known, because he wouldn’t risk his professional career on someone else’s illicit behavior—no one in their right mind would, not even for a friend. It would be career suicide. While he might have known DJ liked to date younger women, there is no way he would condone him fooling around with underage women, esp. that young (no pun intended). No one is stupid enough to risk their hard earned reputation and business on such behavior.
Musicians get tempted a lot — its part of the gig. My brother was a gold-album winning recording artist. I know what used to happen to him—I saw a groupie throw herself at my brother at (no lie) our Grandmothers Funeral. But its part of their job to know what is permitted, and what lines not to cross. Note that being tempted is no excuse—there is no excuse if the allegations are true. Adults have a responsibility to children—and legally, we are talking about an Adult and a Child. If true, there simply is no excuse. But at the moment, we only have allegations. And in our country, the law presumes innocence. Legally, unless/until convicted in a court of law, every person is innocent. The wheels of Justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine. Patience is required, as is support and prayer, for everyone involved on all sides here. There are no winners in a situation like this — unfortunately, everyone loses. It’s sad, it’s disturbing — but again, none of this is Adam’s fault. It wouldn’t be the first time a touring band member got themselves in trouble. But this is NOT ADAM. And, as I said earlier, Adam is likely having one of the worst days of his life — either hurting for a friend, or hurting over the betrayal of one. That’s a lose/lose no matter how you slice it. He needs prayers and support. Once facts are confirmed, then you can support the innocent party.
We all have our tests and challenges on this earth. When my daughter was ill, Adam sent her a photo and a page of scripture, including this one: "Be Merciful To Me, Creator God…in the shadow of Your wings I find protection until the raging storms are over." Psalms 57:1. May all involved find protection in the shadow of His wings until the raging storms pass.
Marilyn, the other Mom-who-is-a-Hoot-Owl
8:44 pm • 6 December 2013 • 69 notes
My first ever picture of Jupiter and three of its moons, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto (Io was hiding).
8:38 pm • 6 December 2013 • 1,438 notes
Message from Steve Bursky, Adam’s manager
Time to fess up dear Lil’ Owls: On December 6th, I sent Adam’s manager, Steve Bursky, an email asking if he could look into this situation with Daniel. Marilyn did too. We had a moral obligation to have this investigated no matter where the truth was.
Here is part of my email to Steve:
"…Until all the evidence is in, I’m trying to remain neutral, but as an adult and (a parent) I feel obligated to take these allegations against Daniel seriously and bring them to someone’s attention. I am strenuously encouraging the girls who have accusations to talk to their parents and then to contact the appropriate authorities with their evidence. If there is any truth to these allegations, Daniel must be held accountable for his actions and not have it swept under a rug.
Currently, this is blowing up on social media amongst the fan members and some are already questioning Adam’s involvement, i.e. did he know about Daniel’s possible transgressions, if he did, did he say anything, etc. Most of us believe that Adam is spotless but rumors and gossip being what they are, if this gets out to the mainstream media and industry news, it could be devastating for Adam’s career. None of us wants this to happen.”
Here is Steve’s reply:
First off, thank you so much for reaching out to express your concern. We take these kinds of things very seriously, and have been investigating the situation all day.
Adam and I were both shocked and horrified to read the Tumblr blog you reference in your email earlier today. Adam and Owl City has, and always will be an organization that places moral conduct first, and does not condone or approve of any of the behavior described in the aforementioned blog.
We will continue to investigate this matter over the coming days, and appropriate action will indeed be taken.
Please know that Adam Young has nothing to do with the matter in question, and feels absolutely terrible for all involved.
Thank you again for bringing this to my attention.
With much respect,
I think we can take some solace in that they are indeed going to do something and as Marilyn said: ADAM HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!
And yes, we need to reach out to Adam with support. This kind of betrayal, if it is true, is the absolute worst it can be; right up there with a cheating spouse. I cannot imagine the hell of having to confront a person who has been a dear friend for years over something like this.
We love you Adam!
8:35 pm • 6 December 2013 • 247 notes
Hoot owls, please read. Thank you.
I see all sorts of posts happening. Some similar to this and some demanding (hypothetical) blood, but this is an important issue and I think it needs to be said again.
I hope you take the time to read what I have to say and give it thoughtful consideration. I know this is all very upsetting and will be for awhile, and this will be long and have italics and bold, but please hear me out and read this post because it is important.
I cannot say in good conscience that the allegations made are true, nor can they be dismissed as false.
Before I get started, know that:
1.) I am not defending Daniel.
2.) I am not accusing anyone of lying, nor am I singling out any person.
3.) I care about this fandom and I also care about the truth. To get to the truth, sometimes you need to step back and look at things objectively. Be rational.
4.) What you want to be the truth isn’t always the truth and regardless of the outcome, there will be disappointment. Sometimes the truth isn’t want it seems.
5.) These accusations are very serious and the Owl City/Hoot Owl fandom is not the court system.
6.) The U.S. court system assumes innocence until proven guilty. This takes real evidence.
7.) The matter is being investigated. (See “What should the hoot owls do?”)
8.) This isn’t legal advice.
9.) I am posting this on behalf of the fandom, not for any individual or the band.
Let’s start with the facts:
A girl has accused Daniel Jorgensen of inappropriate words and actions.
She made a post on Tumblr about it.
Other girls have said something to the same effect.
These are the only ACTUAL facts those of us not involved know. (Involved parties being the girls making accusations and Daniel himself. Being a friend of either does not make you an involved party or in the know.)
All accusations and claims should not be taken as fact, regardless of who said it and regardless of his or her “side”. It’s all hearsay. Saying it did or did not happen, no matter how trustworthy you believe that person to be, is not fact.
Screenshots cannot be taken as evidence as they can be faked, altered, etc. (The former sentence is NOT an accusation that someone is lying - screenshots can also be faked/altered/etc. to counter the point.)
A matter like this is serious and should not be taken lightly, but this is not something for the fandom or outsiders to cast judgment on guilt or innocence. It is for the authorities and/or court system to decide that. Inappropriate behavior toward minors, such as what is accused, should be filed with the police. (This is not the same as pressing charges.) The authorities and, if charges are filed, the court will evaluate the actual evidence and a decision will be made based upon that. (Screenshots may not be acceptable as evidence, but Skype records may be able to be subpoenaed.)
This is not a decision for the hoot owls to make.
Speculation only hurts all parties involved. Accusing people of lying doesn’t help, nor does accusing other band members. This is something that should stay between involved parties.
Silence is not an admission of guilt. Lawyers often advise clients to keep silent whether they’re making the claims or facing them. This prevents things from being taken out of context and protects the privacy of everyone. The more convoluted things are, the more difficult it is to seek justice. Furthermore, some of the things said could be considered libel (false statement that damages someone’s reputation) against the girls or Daniel. Deleting social media is not a sign of guilt (they may have been overwhelmed with messages and/or shut down by a manager - we don’t know and aren’t privy to that information) and the records still exist, even if not available to the general public.
What should the hoot owls do?
- The girls with accusations should inform their parents and create a police report/contact a lawyer. Posting on the internet about it does nothing but stir up controversy, and for a fair outcome, it needs to be done legally. No matter how upset you are, there are proper channels to follow, and these are in place for a reason.
- All hoot owls should recognize that regardless of what’s true in THIS situation, there are people out there who will behave inappropriate and push you to do things you’re uncomfortable with. It’s ALWAYS okay to say no. It’s always okay to report these people, particularly if you’re underage. Don’t be afraid to tell someone they need to stop, and don’t be afraid to stick to your refusal. It’s okay to leave the situation.
- No one else should get involved in choosing sides, declaring someone a liar, or deciding guilt. I know it’s very difficult, but try to remain unbiased until a decision has been made.
- The matter is apparently being investigated by managers per mommahootowl’s post with a letter from Steve Bursky. This is a good thing, allow them to do this without trying to influence their findings.
It is unfair to assume guilt without hard evidence. This goes for the accusations of Daniel acting inappropriate AND accusations that the girls are lying.
Should the allegations turn out to be true, I want you to know that I find the actions utterly reprehensible, but that doesn’t mean the good music and fandom memories are invalid. OWL CITY is not involved in this and don’t let it affect your happy memories.
If you have questions or just want to chat, my inbox is open. I may not publish anons, as that has the potential to further stir up drama, but I will be happy to talk to you privately and will not disclose the conversation to the fandom. I’m very sorry this is happening, but Owl City is, and always will be, a good place.
8:22 pm • 6 December 2013 • 38 notes
Anonymous asked: Sometimes I see you on at midnight, sometimes at 6am, at noon, and 7 pm. When do you sleep pajamas? !
I don’t sleep.
Then I sleep for a week.
Then I don’t sleep.
8:35 pm • 29 November 2013 • 1 note